Blogged Answers: Redux - Not Dead Yet!

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Some clarification on what's going on with Redux

I'm a Redux maintainer. There's been a lot of confusion, claims, and misinformation about Redux going around lately, and I want to help clear things up.

TL;DR

Is Redux dead, dying, deprecated, or about to be replaced?

No.

Are there situations where you don't need Redux?

Sure, but that's always been true.

A Longer Explanation

There's been a whole slew of comments and articles lately that boil down to people asking "Is Redux dead?", or asserting that "Tool X replaces Redux". I'll recap several sources of confusion, and explain what's actually going on.

"Redux is Overused"

Where's this coming from?

Redux has been around for almost three years. In "JS library years", that's like... forever :) It got very popular very quickly, and as a result, a lot of people were told they had to use Redux, without actually understanding the tradeoffs involved and when it actually makes sense to use Redux. So, there's been some inevitable backlash, and people have looked for alternatives, including adopting other state management libraries or creating their own.

As part of that, there was a wave of tweets about a month ago about how Redux was being overused. One in particular was from Cory House, a well-known author/teacher in the React community. That tweet and various others got heavily retweeted, and the ensuing discussion ricocheted around Twitter for a while.

Clearing the Confusion

The Redux maintainers (first Dan Abramov and Andrew Clark, now Tim Dorr and myself) have always said that you might not need Redux. There are excellent reasons to use Redux, but it may not be the best fit for your situation. Like any tool, it's important to understand the tradeoffs and benefits before deciding to use something.

I've seen plenty of comments amongst the Twitterati that people have opted to move away from Redux to something else. But, at the same time, my own estimates are that somewhere between 50-60% of all React apps use Redux, plus all of its usage with other JS frameworks like Angular, Ember, and Vue, and that is a userbase that isn't just going to disappear overnight. (There's also a big gap between what gets chatted about at lightning speed on social media, and what people are actually doing in "the real world".)

It's also worth noting that Redux is not owned by Facebook - it's a separate open-source project. Both of its creators (Dan Abramov and Andrew Clark) now work at Facebook, but Tim Dorr and I have no affiliation with Facebook at all. We talk with the React team to help coordinate future plans, but Redux doesn't belong to them.

"The new Context API can replace Redux"

Where's this coming from?

React 16.3 is introducing a new stable version of the context API, which is intended to replace the old unstable API. Context is specifically intended for the use case of passing data to deeply nested React components. That's one of the reasons why some people have chosen to use Redux, and so there's been claims that the new context API will replace Redux.

Clearing the Confusion

Yes, the new context API is going to be great for passing down data to deeply nested components - that's exactly what it was designed for. If you're only using Redux to avoid passing down props, context could replace Redux - but then you probably didn't need Redux in the first place. Context also doesn't give you anything like the Redux DevTools, the ability to trace your state updates, middleware to add centralized application logic, and other powerful capabilities that Redux enables.

"GraphQL can replace Redux"

Where's this coming from?

Somewhat similarly, there's been a lot of noise around GraphQL and the Apollo Client. There have been articles specifically claiming that "GraphQL will let you replace Redux". Also, Apollo has a new apollo-link-state addon that can handle client-side state, and there's been discussion that that can also help replace Redux.

Clearing the Confusion

I'd agree that data fetching via GraphQL, and especially with Apollo, will likely reduce or eliminate your data-fetching related Redux code. And again, if that's all you were using Redux for, you probably wouldn't need Redux after moving all the data-fetching handling into Apollo. I'll even go so far as to say that apollo-link-state could probably handle most of your other client-side state logic, and I think Apollo ships with a DevTools setup of its own. The Apollo team has been doing some pretty neat work, and while I don't like seeing people switch away from Redux, ultimately we all want to build great apps that help our users. But, as with context, I'd say there's definitely use cases where Redux is going to work better than GraphQL + Apollo, and possibly without requiring as much buy-in throughout your architecture. This is especially true if you need to do more than just fetch data or update a couple local state values, like persisting user data through page reloads or implementing complex workflow logic.

"Redux is being replaced by something from React"

Where's this coming from?

Finally, Dan Abramov recently gave a great talk at JS Conf Iceland where he demoed two upcoming aspects of React's "async rendering": time-slicing will allow React to split up update calculations for smoother updates, and "React Suspense" will allow deeply nested components to delay their rendering until fetched data is available. Unfortunately, shortly after the talk, a site known for writing misleading and poorly-written articles about React put up a post claiming that "Dan Abramov announced a new 'future-fetcher' library that replaces Redux", and linked a tweet by Kent C Dodds with that statement as evidence.

Clearing the Confusion

One of the problems with social media is that it's easy for misinformation to spread quickly. And especially in this case, because that widely-spread article about Dan announcing a "future-fetcher" library was completely and utterly wrong! Dan's announcement was purely about async React capabilities, and had nothing to do with Redux. In addition, Kent's tweet about Redux being replaced was literally a joke tweet in a joke Twitter "live-commentary" thread about the talk. The article was either a complete misunderstanding of the React ecosystem, or a deliberate attempt to spread confusion and FUD.

The Future of Redux

As a Redux maintainer, I can assure you that Redux isn't going anywhere. The Redux core library is stable, and we've actually got a 4.0 beta release available. Despite the major version bump, it's really just about cleaning up some edge cases and improving the TypeScript typings. Besides that, the Redux ecosystem is thriving.

The real interesting near-future work is around the React-Redux library. We're going to be updating it to work better with React's async capabilities. We have an open issue for discussion of how Redux will work with async React, and I created a proof of concept PR that updates connect to use the new context API. There will be more work needed over the next few months, but we're committed to ensuring that React and Redux continue to be a great choice for building applications.

Ready to Learn Redux?

So with all that in mind, it's a great time to learn how to use Redux. As always, I'll close with some links to further resources:

I'd also encourage people to really understand when and why they should use Redux. Some suggested articles:

Learn Redux In Person from Me!

Besides all the articles and posts and links, I'm going to be teaching a series of "Redux Fundamentals" workshops through Workshop.me! I'm excited for this chance to spend a couple days helping people learn exactly how Redux works and how to use it.

My first "Redux Fundamentals" workshop is April 19-20, in New York City, with other workshop locations and dates TBD later this year. Tickets for the NYC workshop are still available! If you're not in NYC, or are already comfortable with Redux, spread the word to someone you know who might be interested! :)


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